Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Hello and welcome to Life of the Week,

where leading historians delve into the lives of some of history's most intriguing and significant figures.

From ancient Egyptian pharaohs and medieval warriors to daring 20th century spies.

In the list of the world's all-time wealthiest people, one name regularly tops the charts,

Manza Musa. Ruling a kingdom that stretched across West Africa, the 14th century Mali Emperor is best

known for undertaking a glittering pilgrimage towards the holy city of Mecca.

Yet, as Hannah Cusworth argues in this episode, Manza Musa left a much larger legacy than that.

Emily Griffith spoke to Hannah to find out more about his extraordinary life.

So we are going to be diving into the life of Mansa Musa. And the big question we need to really

answer is, who was Mansmusa? Yeah, it's a great starting question. So some of your listeners

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