When you're selling, ideally you are moving with the environment, the direction of the currents, the wind, the weight of the boat moving, the sound of the water on the hall.

It's one of the most surreal, peaceful, yet violent things that I've ever experienced.

There's no calling 911.

There's no pulling the car over and parking it.

Everything is real time.

And if anything, and things will go wrong.

When they go wrong, it's your fault.

Is there a standout scary moment that happened in those two years on the boat?

Something where you actually felt really tested or panicked?

Not that I was panicked, I was concerned, like highly concerned.

And it wasn't in a storm.

Trevor, I'm happy to have you back in the studio.

I have so many questions for you.

But the first thing I want to start with is a little bit of a story of my own.

I've been reading Moby Dick.

Have you read Moby Dick?

Yes.

So I have this funny story.

My dad tried to make me read it when I was a kid.

I played along because I was like, I might as well start reading and Moby Dick is a famous

book.

And then I read like the first page and I was like, what the fuck?

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