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It was a great conversation.

This is actually the first interview that I did when I decided to start the Kevin Clancy

show.

And the first guy I said, listen, I'm trying to do like deep dive conversations with interesting

people.

And he was the first one.

So just a real interesting conversation about the music industry and his come up and

using the internet and Spotify and blowing up that way.

We talked about his marriage and his relationships and business.

There's a bunch of his parents and Fred.

All this interesting stuff is just like a totally normal cat.

He's a guy who would fit in at bar stool.

He seems like a guy who would read our shit and listen to our shit.

He could work here.

He could be a fan of us.

He's as normal as they come.

So he's the perfect age to write that wheelhouse of like early 30s when life starts to get

real.

And I'm at right now, 35 single dad got the weight of the world on my shoulders with the

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