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I'm here today with former Bachelor, Zach El Cross, Zach. Good morning. Good morning. Thank you for having me.

Zach, a serious question for you to start this thing out. Fire away. How does it feel to be a TikTok husband?

Oh, my God. Oh, Kate, what she puts me through. I am not, yeah, I am not the biggest TikTok guy at all. Is it apparent on my face or something? I don't know. Like, I hate it. I am very much not a social media person. Yeah. Yeah. In all ways. Like, I don't get on it a lot. I don't scroll on it a lot.

It's just not a huge part of my life.

But it has benefited me in the past.

And then benefits my wife because she educates on skin.

And she, here's what you've got to do.

Here's the secret.

They just can't listen to this.

I doubt either of them will.

You just have to start being like naturally bad at it. And she'll stop asking you. That's what happened with me.

Jessica would come in and be like, hey, I need, I need you to be in this video for me. Or will you

show off your skin care routine? Or will you put this outfit on? I'm like, yeah. And I. Like, it wasn't like I was not doing my best for her, but every time she'd be like, God, man. Come on. We'll just do that again and do it. I'm like, I just don't think I'm made for this. I try that. I've been trying that for years. I think it was one of the first things I told her as

that I'm not built for this TikTok stuff. What you're doing? And she's like, oh, I got this new trend. I found this new sound. We have to do it. And it's almost started to like a bartering tool. Like, okay, if you want to watch football for nine hours a day, you got to film two TikToks with me. And I go, hmm, all right, fine, deal.

I'm a sucker. A minute for nine hours. Yeah, I guess. I will do that. Before we kind of dive

into some of the big updates in your life, and there are some, I think something really interesting

with you. And I want to just chat with you. And I don't necessarily know how to phrase it.

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