Jane Marie is a bit of an audio legend. She is a Peabody and Emmy

Award-winning journalist who produced the massively popular show This American Life for a decade but more recently she produced and hosted season 3 of her show the dream

If you are a longtime listener of the Money with Katie show that might ring a bell. The dream is a chart-topping

investigative podcast that pulls back the curtain on the seedy underbellys of pyramid schemes and the

quote, world of Wellness.

Jane has become the go-to gal for content

about MLMs or multi-level marketing schemes.

In fact, she just released a book

about the subject called Selling the Dream, the billion dollar industry bankrupting Americans.

You probably get the picture.

This is a smart celebrated journalist who's known primarily for levying a

healthy skepticism on the too good to be true world of self-help

that's often crawling with scams and grifters. She's turned her doubt about this field into a career. This is the last person you'd ever

expect to do something as seemingly new age as getting a life coach, right?

Well... coach, right? Well, Welcome back to the Money with Katie's Show, Rich People. I'm your host, Katie Gaddy Tossan, and today we are talking about life coaching, pyramid scheme, or legitimate investment.

I'm joined by Jane Marie herself who in the most recent season of the dream investigated

quote the gurus and life coaches who claim they know the secret to living our

best lives. I remember rubbing my hands together when it first popped into my feed and I was like oh yeah baby let's go it's time to call out some bullshit

So you can imagine my surprise upon making it to episode two and hearing a teary Jane admitting that actually

she's been in a funk lately. I mean the pandemic is a big thing I think also I feel a constant chipping away at my resolve.

Yeah. You know and my like patience, tolerance, joyfulness, optimism, happiness,

it feels so daunting to deal with.

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