I won't tell you that it's gonna be okay.

I won't tell you that it's gonna be okay.

And welcome to another episode of a crisis on's podcast today.

We got somebody who,

I think boxing is hurting without a legend in his own right.

Somebody who came in he saw and he conquered none other than Andre Ward.

How you feeling man?

Man I'm good I'm excited on the eve of the book release from my book, Killing the Image, man.

I'm just a static man and it just happened to be talking to you.

Man, we're gonna get into that book release. The first thing I want to talk to you about is that our show is kind of unique and that we ask each one of our guests to walk us through the arc of their careers and you've had a story boxing career. You retired with an undefeated record and held multiple world

championships and two weight classes including unified super middle weight titles between

2009 and 2015, unified light heavyweight titles talk about what you've been up to since you retired and at what point did you realize that you could be a professional boxer

And then at what point did you realize it was time to move on to something else?

Well, what I've been up to is, you know, just really what I've been sort of sown as the areas that I've been sown

in just my whole life, you know, ministry, was heavy in ministry before I retired,

but became a licensed minister after retirement,

me and my wife and youth pastors,

and we got, you know, we got five kids at home,

so we well trained with,

we basically got youth group at the house.

I've always been you know very interested in in the business sector and the marketplace

so business and investing is very very very important to me.

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