Hey, listeners out there.

This is Deep Cover, Joe Postone, aka Donnie Brascoe and Leo Rossi.

And this is a bonus episode.

Our first interview.

Now, the interviewee is retired warden, Joe Woodring.

As warden and associate warden, Joe was responsible for over a thousand staff and nearly

5,000 inmates. These included murderers, maximum security inmates, high-level drug dealers,

you name it. And he also spent time,

which we will get into, in Baghdad Iraq, working for the Department of Justice and the State Department.

Joe has one hell of a resume, so let's meet him. Welcome, Joe. Thank you very much. It's great to be here.

Well, we got to just get something straight right now.

We have Joe Woodring and Joe Pistone, right? Joe has been gracious enough because you are a guest

that I will call him Donnie in honor of Donnie Presco, and I will call you Joe. So that's makes it

nice and easy, right? So where did you start? Where

were you born? What part of the country? Okay, I was born in a real small town in Pennsylvania

called Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania. It's a little college town. And I ended up going to college at Penn State. I'm a Penn State graduate. Once I finished

college, I started at a place, a non-federal place, place called the Devereaux Foundation in

Philadelphia, and got my butt beat there, physically got my butt beat there. I did that for about

10 months. And my sister was in the feds at the same time.

She was at Allenwood Federal Prison Camp. She was a case manager. And she said, you know,

you should come to the feds. It's a lot safer. They pay well. They have a retirement system.

They have health insurance, blah, blah. I didn't even know what retirement meant back in those

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