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Today, we're joined by Martin Goury, author of The Revolt of the Public.

This is a book about how technology categorically reverse

the information balance of power between the public and the elites who manage

the great hierarchical institutions of the industrial age, government, politics, parties,

the media.

So today we're talking about the failures of trust and authority figures, the role of tech

platforms like Facebook and Twitter, and the colossal sociopolitical experiment he predicts

is coming this summer.

Let's dive right in joining us today is exciting.

Martin Goury is a former CIA analyst.

He specializes in the relationship of politics and the global media, as I said.

And I mean, before we get into anything about what's going on in current events, which

I'm dying to talk to you about, can you tell us what you what your normal day looked

like at the CIA with what you were doing there?

Well, I've probably had this least sexy job in CIA.

I did not have a license to kill.

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