Libya, China, and the Outlaw Ocean
Angry Planet
Matthew Gault
4.3 • 882 Ratings
🗓️ 25 June 2025
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
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The ocean is vast, beautiful, and lawless. Thousands of miles from any coast, power belongs to those who seize it.
On this episode of Angry Planet, journalist Ian Urbina stops by to discuss the Outlaw Ocean Project and the second season of its incredible podcast. Urbina and his team of investigative journalists are telling stories about human rights, labor, and the environment on the vast swaths of the planet covered in water.
- The hidden cost of the seafood supply chain
- Why the ocean is such a lawless place
- “Crimes at the intersection of environment and human rights.”
- Libya is “hell on earth” for migrants
- Aliou’s journey to Libya
- How Europe enables Libyan militias to police its borders
- The migration to slavery pipeline
- A team of journalists at gunpoint
- Life on a Chinese squid fishing vessel
- Low tech and high tech reporting gets the job done
- “That is what life is like in that niche of hell.”
Listen to the Outlaw Ocean Podcast
Inside a migrant detention center in Libya
China: The Superpower of Seafood
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| 0:00.0 | Love this podcast. Support this show through the ACAST supporter feature. It's up to you how much you give, and there's no regular commitment. Just click the link in the show description to support now. |
| 0:17.7 | Hello and welcome to another conversation about conflict on an angry planet. |
| 0:21.3 | I am Matthew Galt. |
| 0:23.1 | Today we're going to talk about another podcast that has just entered its second season, |
| 0:26.3 | or I guess not just now, because most of it has aired, I believe. |
| 0:31.6 | Half of it has aired. |
| 0:33.4 | And that is the Outlaw Ocean, and its host and creator. |
| 0:38.9 | You are the creator, correct? |
| 0:40.6 | Yes. |
| 0:41.1 | The lovely Ian Urbina is here to talk about that show. |
| 0:45.6 | It's kind of hard for me to summarize exactly what everything is about. |
| 0:49.5 | But I was listening to kind of the end of the portion about China this morning. And it kind of struck me |
| 0:57.2 | that it's about a lot of different things, but about what forced labor and slavery looks like |
| 1:04.7 | in 2025 is kind of one of the big themes, I would say. Do you think that that's accurate? |
| 1:11.4 | It is. Yeah. Yeah. And also just I would say. Do you think that that's accurate? It is, yeah. |
| 1:12.5 | Yeah. |
| 1:12.8 | Yeah. And also just, you know, if you look at one product, in this case, seafood, and kind of follow it from origin to arrival, where are the many hidden costs and blind spots within that supply chain? |
| 1:30.1 | Yeah, it was, we're going to jump all over the place today. |
| 1:34.0 | But it was fascinating to listen to it because one of the things you guys do is |
| 1:37.7 | map out supply chains for seafood in a way that I don't think that apparently no one else has done, especially |
| 1:46.7 | not the people that are monitoring for human rights abuses, and kind of discover or |
| 1:53.0 | reinforce maybe what you already knew that people aren't following the rules as far as like where you get your labor for how to deal with seafood. |
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