Hey y'all, this is Monica. I just had such a fascinating conversation with Courtney to the point where I

realize she's like a philosophy professor, but like in a class where the teacher is actually

riveting. And I just found myself thinking about some of the things that she explained.

I mean, I was really thinking about it for days afterwards.

It's a long one, so we cut it into two, and this is part one.

I hope you enjoy listening to it as much as I enjoy having the conversation.

This is Monica Perez here with Courtney Turner, and I have to say, she is the brain that

never stops thinking, I can't believe that just we were going to, she said something that

caught my ear, and it's like, let's talk about that.

And of course, there's just volumes behind it, dovetails into what she's working on right now. Now I wish I had another week to prepare, but we're going to just do this in real time. She's going to explain it to me like, I don't know what she's talking about because I don't. And you might not either. So hello, Courtney, and thank you so much for being here. I'm super

excited for today. Hello. I'm excited to be here as well. Good to see you. I, when you,

we were on the Union of the Unwanted, like maybe one month ago, I don't know, and you just nailed

something that I, I just never really understood. So my education, normally I think you can learn everything on your own,

and you absolutely can, but it can be helpful to learn things in a systematic way,

in a framework and everything.

So I was an economics undergrad, and it was kind of the opposite of what I need to understand

what you were saying. And what you were saying

was something like libertarianism is contractual and doesn't have an ontology. And I was just like,

I think that explains a lot, but first I have to understand what it is she's saying. And I guess I just

have a lot to, you know, weave into the conversation to elucidate the things that I think other

libertarians might also need help with. But would you mind just kind of unpacking that a little bit?

Like, what is ontology?

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