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Hello and welcome to Libero, the podcast about the most important of the least important things.

As David Coden, the chair of the independent football regulator, I think that's his title,

told a huddle of journalists at Tarrett, what's this hotel called? In the Sinula Hotel in London's Leafy West End.

I'm Rory Smith at the Observer, Eminemblazers.

You are Tarik Panjer of the New York Times.

Afternoon.

Where are we?

We're at the Financial Times Business of Football Summit where all the important people

are and us.

And us.

We are given a different coloured land yard to separate us as a slightly lower class of

citizen to make people as wary as possible.

The land yard is red like a warning flag.

Do not speak openly in front of us. We are doing a little bit of a, we're trying to kind of experimenting with format here. We're in the field. We are in the trenches of football finance tariff to try and give people a window into these sorts of events, which I think are actually, they're probably more important than they're really given credit for.

Is that fair?

It may be not important, but they do bring, I guess, some of the most important people

in the game into one place.

And for us, quite handy, because you can have these quite sidebars, right?

Yeah, we're sitting in a corridor with, I know how you describe the pattern

on the carpet, but it's quite a nice plush weave, I would say this is quite expensive carpet.

And to our left, or my left, you're right, Tarrick, there are a series of meeting rooms,

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