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Today's a very globespanning edition of Libro.

There's one I'm sitting where I'm always sitting these days, which is in Yorkshire, where it's grey and cloudy.

Jonathan Wilson and Miguel Delaney are in much more interesting places.

Let's start with Jonathan. Where are you?

Sir in Buenos Aires. Still doing this documentary.

Just to reaffirm, I have not and have never been,

and probably will never go to the Falcon Islands.

But yeah, yesterday I interviewed Enzo Frances Scully.

That is drood. That is drood.

That is very liberal.

Yeah, I was sort of... I was nervous for it in a way that I haven't been nervous for you in a long time. And there is something about people who were famous when you were kids that they mean a lot more than... Yeah. And I had an interview with Erling Holland. It would be a big work thing. And I'd be sort of anxious to do it well because it's a big opportunity. But I wouldn't be nervous about meeting Erling Holland, whereas Enzo Francescoli walks into a room, and you're sort of like, oh, Jesus, it's End of Francescoli. I realised it was the thing about being a kid. This is, I think it must have been 2018. I was on Talk Sport to do something on the 50th anniversary of United winning the European Cup. And only when I went on air, I realized a person who I was speaking to was Darren Goff. And I suddenly, I'm talking to Darren Goff! Which is obviously, yeah, these days, Dan Goff's just a bloke on talk sport. But, yeah, he probably was England's greatest cricket, or so his greatest bowler of the 1990s. It is absolutely true, though. I find that even like when sometimes you're in press room or whatever, the modern players go by, you're obviously yard out, much more famous, really, than anyone from the past almost. And like, it's just, there's a bloke I cover. Whereas then you see some star from the 90s, he'll explicablyably doing media. Like, what, fuck hell? Look who it is. It's similar actually when you try and talk to them in some ways. I mean, I interviewed Baggio in 2017. And like, a bit like Wilson there. It was a bit nervous because it's Baggio. It was like 10 when the, when US-194 happened. Similarly, before the 2014 World Cup, since it was the 20th anniversary of 94, I tried to speak to Christos-Deutskopf, and I WhatsApped him, and initially he was agreeable,

and I was a minute late for our allotted time, and he bollocked me, which was quite an honor.

Well, Frista Stojikov, Fyzerz Sochkov bottled out of the game of table football against me at the Portugal camp at year 2004 where they had a table football table. He was playing. I went over and said, can I play the winner? He won and then he refused to take me on. A coward, Priest of Stoichikov. He can just settle with his ball and lore and his Champions League medal, as well. The Good Man Wilson and the Coward Stoichcroft. I've also interviewed Pristow Sto Stoft, but I was on time. But I remember being nervous around before that. And following with Medell, I read your badgeo piece yesterday for something else I'm working on. It was very good. I very much enjoyed it. I have ripped it off unashamedly. Mids, you are, I think, regular listeners will know, but new listeners might not. You are in Riga, where you and Jack have been on a stag do. And that is, if anyone's watching the video, it looks a lot like Miguel's been taken hostage. We think he hasn't. He's just in a hotel room where he's closed the curtains to create a sort of more intimate feel. That is now, obviously, England qualified for the World Cup and stuff yesterday. But crucially, Miguel, that means you've been to all of the Baltics, which means I can ask you which one is best. I think that'll be very unfair on our Baltic friends.

I have to say, the one thing I've noticed about Lafay is, I'm one of the reasons that when they're closed, very grey out. Since we've got here, it's basically grey and drizzle. Actually, heavier than drizzle. It's one of those rains where you're in it for a minute and you're drenched. I do know. It's been enjoyable

though. All great countries.

All great countries. Wouldn't want to pick.

It's only very, though. All great countries. All great countries. Wouldn't

want to pick. Estonia very different to Lafian and Lithuania, I would say. In what way?

I mean, like I think it's pretty well known as the Estonian considers themselves Finnish,

not Baltic or it does have a very different feel.

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