Shall we begin? Hello, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you are. You join us for episode number 57 of Libero, the podcast that's about the most important of the least important things. And at that point, we're paraphrasing 80 style icon Paul Shane.

That might be the best one.

So it's Heidi High, Rory Smith, of the Observer.

Heidi High.

And the men in Blazers.

Perhaps like Paul Shane, he could have worn a camp entertainer's Blazer, but he hasn't done that. But we've shuffled the pack, actually, from the last episode, and a fellow camp entertainer, Jack Pittbrook of the athletic, has joined us. Morning, John? Yeah. Oh, Paul is well, Jack. In fact, we saw each other just the other night at Tottenham v. Wolves.

Let's go over the sporting weekend, shall we?

I am actually very tired because I was stood up watching the Ryder Cup.

Like I was on the terraces.

That was such an amazing sporting occasion, so tense.

Oh, God. God, I really wanted to beat them.

Listen, nothing against America. Got something against American golfers and that crowd.

It was, uh, oh, brilliant, brilliant sport. I'm not a golf person. I tracked the kind of store of the

Ryder Cup and want Europe to win.

Do you not find it interesting in the footballification of the crowd?

I find that really fascinating.

Yes, and I think that actually, well, I think there's two aspects of it.

I think it all started in 1991 with the Kiowa Island thing,

which is around the time of Gulf War, which was, I don't

if you, you chaps are old enough to remember this, but the, the US team dressed in sort of

army for teas and stuff. And there was this USA, USA. And at the same time, Europe had the

football aspect of it, and the Ole, Ola,-A comes from Big Jack Jalton's islands.

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