Hello and welcome to Libero. My name is Jack Pitbrook. I'm from The Athletic. I'm joined today by the Observer's Rory Smith and the New York Times is Tarrick Panja.

Now Rory, you are

famous for your support for all the English teams playing in Europe every midweek, every

year. You are sat there in front of your sofa waving your little plastic flag, whether

it's Aston Villa or Nottingham Forest or Bolton Wanderers or Portsmouth in the good old days in the old UEFA Cup.

So of all the people that I know, when it looked as if it's going to be Manchester United Tottenham Hotswere in the final of the Europa League in Bill Bowen on the 21st of May, I thought, I am so happy for Rory.

He will be delighted.

John Bull Smith, as he has known.

You must be buzzing.

Yeah, I just love it.

I think it's great when two teams from the same country are in the same final.

I think it's great when you get loads of stuff about how English football is better than all the other types of foreign football, which are just too foreign to be good.

I think it's brilliant when we pretend that the only football that's worthwhile to watch to play is in England.

I just love just a good sort of springtime blossoming of xenophobia.

I think it's brilliant.

And I'm delighted that two of our worst top-file top-fight football teams are going to produce that moment for us in Bilbao.

I'm not in any way disappointed that Athletic won't be in the final of the Europa League in their own stadium.

One of the best in Spain.

That's not rubbish at all. And Tarrett, you were suggesting earlier that you think the very

badness of Man United and Tottenham could actually be their secret ingredient.

This is the only thing they've got left to play for. It is a remarkable situation here where

where are they, at a time of recording, we're talking about the teams that are in the, in the

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