Liberation Psychology with Daniel José Gaztambide Nuñez & Harriet Fraad
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4.9 • 2.1K Ratings
🗓️ 6 December 2022
⏱️ 79 minutes
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Summary
Mainstream psychology has been complicit — whether intentionally or not — in the establishment of colonial, white-supremacist, capitalist hierarchies of oppression around the world. Individualizing pain lets the systemic causes for our suffering off the hook and places the responsibility for healing and wellbeing on individual will.
In the 1970's in El Salvador, confronted by these dangers of western psychology — during a civil war — psychologist Ignacio Martín-Baró started to develop an alternative, constructing a psychology relevant to oppressed peoples, like many of the people of El Salvador who were undergoing social, political, and war-related trauma.
Martin-Baró was ultimately assassinated as a result of his work by a CIA-trained battalion of the Salvadoran army, but fellow therapists and theologians in Latin America carried his work on. His legacy, known as Liberation Psychology, is an attempt to bring the historical, political, and economic causes of our distresses and discontents into the therapy session. The aim is to bring about liberation through an understanding of the systemic causes of oppression, exploitation, and alienation and to offer pathways to more socialist, just, and regenerative models of relating that would bring about both human and planetary well-being.
To learn more, we've brought on two guests with both a theoretical and experiential relationship to Liberation Psychology.
Daniel José Gaztambide Nuñez, PsyD is a therapist and author of the book A People's History of Psychoanalysis: From Freud to Liberation Psychology. Daniel is the assistant director of clinical training in the Department of Clinical Psychology at the New School for Social Research, and the director of the Frantz Fanon Lab for Intersectional Psychology,
Harriet Fraad is a feminist activist, psychotherapist, hypnotherapist, and host of the Capitalism Hits Home podcast.
We begin the show with Daniel José Gaztambide Nuñez, PsyD exploring Freud, Marx, and the origins of Liberation Psychology. In the second half of the show, we speak with Harriet Fraad exploring a Marxist-Feminist approach to Liberation Psychology.
Thank you to Noname for the intermission music and to Neil Ballard for the cover art. Upstream theme music was composed by Robert Raymond.
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| 1:05.2 | The kind of symptoms, problems, and difficulties that a client is bringing to say a psychotherapy session, |
| 1:24.8 | are they things that result from something within the person for sure? Does it go back to their |
| 1:30.6 | family environment without question? Does it go back to an intergenerational transmission from one |
| 1:36.8 | generation to the other within their family? Absolutely. But beyond that are social determinants. |
| 1:43.1 | The higher the level of income inequality, the more likely you're going to have in a society, |
| 1:47.2 | the incidences of substance use, self-harm, anxiety, depression, etc. Such that very much, |
| 1:53.9 | questions of political economy have a way of trickling down, not in the form of wealth, |
| 1:59.1 | but of misery, a kind of trickle-down misery. And when you look at clinical work per se, |
| 2:05.2 | social workers, licensed professional counselors, clinical and counseling psychologists, etc, |
| 2:10.6 | are sort of tasked with trying to put a bandaid on what are essentially the symptoms of a system. |
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