All right, Pastor Mark here with Steve Deese from the Blaze, and first of all, I want to have a kind of a general conversation.

I love pastors, I love the church, I am pastor, a pastor of church. But it seems like a lot of

evangelicalism is quickly sliding to the left. Either soft woke, which is not so much, you know, celebrating the transgenderism and gender dysphoria.

It's not what they're saying.

It's what they're not saying. You you know so like they'll be doing backflips

for BLM and then Roe v Wade gets overturned and it's silence on the abortion

issue so there is kind of that soft woke and then there's the the hard woke the I mean the you know the rainbow flag hanging on the church the Lesbiterians you know those people I'll be stealing that term later.

But you know that, please.

And so within that though, it seems like underneath it,

there tends to be at least in leadership some sort of fear or weariness either a

fear of what's going to happen or a weariness like I just can't handle the

criticism and the attack and the pressure anymore.

How do you deal with that?

I'm working on the hypothesis that not everyone likes you and supports you and rejection is like a part-time job.

Right.

So I have a unique perspective on this both because of the way I was raised, but also because I get to talk to a lot of your people every day.

And so people who drink whiskey and have enemies.

I met believers.

Oh, okay.

Okay, yeah.

So after they get done, after they go to,

after they see you guys on Sundays,

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