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FamilyLife Today®

Leveling Up: The Wild Mission of Christian Gaming--Jonathan Ober & Frank Kuligowski

FamilyLife Today®

FamilyLife Network

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality, Personal Journals, Kids & Family, Christianity

4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 1 June 2026

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Dave and Ann Wilson talk Christian gaming on FamilyLife Today. Guests Jonathan Ober and Frank Tulagowski reveal how they share the gospel in VR Chat and keep kids safe in virtual worlds.

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0:00.0

This episode is supported in part by the Christian Standard Bible, a translation designed to be faithful to the original text and clear for everyday readers.

0:10.0

We're grateful for their partnership and helping bring gospel-centered content to families like yours.

0:15.6

To learn more about the CSB, visit CSBival.com.

0:23.3

Are there things that you would

0:24.8

do in these VR spaces

0:26.6

or in these gaming spaces that

0:28.5

you would not do in front of mom and dad

0:30.8

or grandma and grandpa? No. Okay, good.

0:33.1

Let's keep that. And so

0:34.5

just being a light there

0:36.5

and sharing Jesus and whatever they do.

0:46.2

Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

0:52.0

I'm Ann Wilson. And I'm Dave Wilson, and you can find us at familylifetay.com.

0:57.1

This is Family Life today.

1:06.0

Honey, we're talking about your favorite topic of today.

1:08.3

Yes, we are.

1:09.2

What is it?

1:10.2

Gaming.

1:11.0

I don't know if it's gaming or the... Is it called the meta-universe? We've got Jonathan Ober, who goes by Ober. Yes. Yeah, and I'm going to ask you about Jonathan. And I've got to try this. Frank Koologowski. That was perfect. Was it perfect? Koologoski. I was see a fan can say it. That's Kulagowski. Oh, you're so easy.? Cooligowsky. I would see a fan can say it.

1:28.5

Coolikowski.

1:29.6

Oh, you're so easy.

1:44.6

Yep, that's it. You've got the V. What do you call that thing over there? This is a virtual reality VR headset. What in the world are you guys doing in this universe? And how do you know each other? In this universe. We're going into different worlds where we're meeting other people.

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