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Science of Reading: The Podcast

Leveled reading, leveled lives, with Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

Science of Reading: The Podcast

Amplify Education

Education, Science, How To, Social Sciences, Early Literacy, Amplify, Science Of Reading

4.5642 Ratings

🗓️ 30 July 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, top literacy scholar Tim Shanahan, Ph.D., returns to discuss his new book, Leveled Reading, Leveled Lives: How Students’ Reading Achievement Has Been Held Back and What We Can Do About It. During his conversation with Susan Lambert, he outlines what existing research says about leveled reading—and why it’s not effective. He also shares how the misuse of theory can lead to ineffectual conclusions, makes a case for the efficacy of more explici...

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0:00.0

Hi listeners, it's Susan here. Just in time for the school year, I have a brand new resource to tell you about.

0:07.0

Science of Reading, a new teacher's guide. This free e-book gives you the critical information you need,

0:13.7

including a detailed breakdown of the reading rope and the 10 foundational science of reading principles.

0:20.0

It also provides key information on dyslexia, assessment,

0:24.2

serving multilingual learners, and so much more.

0:27.4

It's packed with beautiful diagrams,

0:29.7

a perfect compliment to the podcast if I do say so myself.

0:34.0

Download your science of reading guide at amplify.com.com slash S-O-R guide.

0:41.8

This notion of trying to match kids to books and get everybody to their right level is at the very least wasteful.

0:52.7

This is Susan Lambert and welcome to Science of Reading the podcast from Amplify.

0:58.7

Leveled Reading, Leveled Lives.

1:00.9

That's the title of a new book from Literacy Expert, Dr. Timothy Shanahan.

1:05.7

And today I'm thrilled to bring Dr. Shanahan back to the podcast to talk all about this new book, which explores

1:12.8

the history and research on leveled reading. Dr. Shanahan explains why leveled reading is not

1:19.2

effective. He details the importance of explicit instruction, and he offers some specific

1:24.6

guidance for educators that can make a big difference. We spoke with Dr.

1:29.0

Shanahan in May ahead of the book's official publication date of September 9th, 2025. Here's my

1:35.9

conversation with Dr. Timothy Shanahan, distinguished Professor Emeritus at the University of Illinois

1:42.3

at Chicago.

1:50.7

Tim Shanahan, thank you for joining us yet again on the podcast.

1:53.3

I think this is your third appearance, perhaps.

1:56.1

I think it is. Good to see you, Susan.

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