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Lethal Dissent: Iran’s Spy Games in Turkey

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4.41.7K Ratings

🗓️ 5 August 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Washington and Tehran have a long and complicated history, with tensions that rise, fall and then rise again. Just this summer, we watched the U.S. and Israel strike Iran’s nuclear infrastructure. This month, SpyCast is bringing you a series of special episodes on Iran, looking back and forward, to unveil the country’s intelligence priorities, capabilities, and tactics. First in our series is Fariba Nawa. She's a journalist who shows us that if you want to learn about Iranian intelligence, one of the best places to look is Turkey. It may be a member of NATO, but it's also a country where Iranian dissidents flee because of their shared border. And as Tehran tries to lure certain Iranians back, Israel tries to recruit them. It's a complex, deadly game that Fariba has been bravely documenting through the podcast Lethal Dissent. Listen to Lethal Dissent here or wherever you get your podcasts.  Prefer to watch your podcasts? Find us on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@IntlSpyMuseum/podcasts.  Subscribe to Sasha's Substack, HUMINT, to get more intelligence stories: https://sashaingber.substack.com/  And if you have feedback or want to hear about a particular topic, you can reach us by E-mail at SpyCast@Spymuseum.org.  This show is brought to you from Goat Rodeo, Airwave, and the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC.

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0:27.0

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0:32.4

Welcome to Spycast, the official podcast of the International Spy Museum.

0:42.4

I'm your host, Sasha Inver, and each week I take you into the shadows of espionage, intelligence, and covert operations across the globe.

0:54.8

Washington and Tehran have a long and complicated history,

0:59.4

with tensions that rise, fall, and then rise again.

1:04.3

Just this summer, we watched the U.S. and Israel strike Iran's nuclear infrastructure.

1:10.4

So we're going to bring you a series of special

1:13.2

episodes on Iran, looking back and forward to unveil the country's intelligence priorities,

1:20.9

its capabilities, and its tactics. First, a conversation with Faribha Nawa, a journalist who shows us that if you want to learn

1:30.3

about Iranian intelligence, one of the best places to look is Turkey. It may be a member of NATO,

1:37.7

but it's also a country where Iranian dissidents flee because of their shared border.

1:43.2

And as Tehran tries to lure certain Iranians back,

1:47.4

Israel tries to recruit them. It's a complex and deadly game that Fariba has been bravely

1:54.2

documenting through the podcast Lethal Dissent. Here it is.

2:00.6

Fariba, you've shown how Turkey is fertile ground for Tehran's spy games.

2:07.0

And I'm wondering, who is the regime hiring to do their bidding?

2:14.0

Yeah, Turkey is an opposition haven.

2:16.6

The regime, specifically the Iranian Revolutionary Guard

2:21.0

Corps, which is the paramilitary arm of the Iranian regime and a very powerful entity, has a long

2:27.8

reach inside the Turkish government. They, in some cases, have been able to infiltrate the judiciary and higher proxies within that,

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