Their skiff'd have ever received has to be a bike when I was younger, a pedal bike.

It was a sort of slick little road bike and I remember it was all like it was so it was

all wrapped up but it was so obvious what it was obviously because nothing shaped like a bike and

had a little ribbon on it and I was so gas. For that was a life changer and I'm still sort of

big on cycling around my area now so for that one change really.

Enjoying every sip with red cups now back at Starbucks.

I mean there's that investigative journalist Tom Nugent he described you in the keepers as a bulldog.

So I mean what do you think he means by that from where you're sitting?

Well it's not my favorite term. I think it sounds really rough but Tom is Tom and Tom is such an amazing journalist

and he gets to say whatever he wants. I prefer the term badass. Me too.

And yeah and Kathy was a badass.

Hi, Jillian here and welcome to Let the Women Do the Work.

The podcast where we look at true crime from the perspectives of the women involved.

Because in all these stories there's a woman inside outside beside or affected by it all.

And at this episode we'll follow a real-life Nancy Drew who took it upon herself to investigate the murder of someone from her past.

And ended up on our thing some long held truths about trauma and abuse that still ripple out to the present.

Her name is Gemma Hoskins and if you've seen the Netflix documentary series The Keepers you know her vibe and her work.

Gemma is a down to earth dog lover, retired teacher and no bullshit citizen detective of sorts.

And being in her 60s from Baltimore she grew up in a time and community that was very, very Catholic.

In the 1960s the Archdiocese and clergy members of Baltimore were more than just faith leaders.

They held real power and still do.

So when Gemma was admitted to the top all girls Catholic school in the city she was ecstatic.

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