Hello, this is the game podcast from The Times and I'm Natalie Sawyer.

Joining Gregor Robertson and I today it is Allison Rudd.

Allison, how are you? It is not long until the Premier League football is back I know I'm not I'm not

fibbing I'm not making this up but last night I dreamt I was at a game and there was a goal and the crowd went mad and I looked at the crowd and then in my

brain something said oh but they're not supposed to be here. So they became they became animated cardboard cutouts.

So my subconscious made the dream more practical and legal.

And I'm so pleased we can talk about your legal dream

on here as well.

But I wonder if that is going to be the foreseeable future, some sort of

cardboard cutouts. I know some clubs, Gregor have been talking about it.

Yeah, I mean who knows that it's been interesting to see the crowds in Spain and Germany and how it's developed actually recently.

It's been, and the artificial noise, everyone was so kind of cynical about that but it's been it does add something

for the for the viewer at home undoubtedly the thing I'm looking forward to

actually which sounds a little bit peculiar is just the first game in experiencing a game that actually is a competitive game of football behind closed doors.

And obviously I hope it doesn't last for too long, but it's going to be so surreal.

And I have to fool them in Brentford on Saturday.

So, uh, you're going.

Hopefully fool them get a win there.

Oh, my goodness.

I don't want to talk about that. Thank you very much. It's

disgraceful. But you know what I did here? I heard that at Northampton's

ground, Sixfields, obviously now that they're in the playoffs. There's going to be cardboard cutouts

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