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The Owen Jones Podcast

Let Scotland Decide Its Future

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Politics, Government, News & Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 25 November 2022

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

The right to an independence referendum is like the right to divorce: you don’t have to support separation to accept it as a right. The Scottish people voted for parties which back a referendum: denying them that right is an attack on democracy itself. I don't support independence - but I do support democracy, and the Scottish people must have their decision respected.

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0:00.0

Should a country have the right to decide and determine its own future,

0:03.2

even if I don't personally agree with the decisions that it takes?

0:06.5

That's what we discussed in Jeremy Vineshow today.

0:08.4

I don't support Scottish independence,

0:09.9

but in the same way I don't want everyone to have a divorce.

0:12.3

But I support the right to divorce,

0:13.9

and I support the right to national self-determination.

0:17.1

Look, the majority, you know,

0:18.9

if you believe in parliamentary democracy,

0:21.1

there is a Scottish parliament.

0:22.8

And in the last elections,

0:24.9

there were parties which stood on the basis of,

0:27.2

if you vote for us,

0:28.8

then we will have a independence referendum.

0:32.2

A majority of members of the Scottish parliament were elected under that banner.

0:36.4

Therefore, there's an obvious basic democratic mandate.

0:38.9

People go, well, back in 2014, there was a referendum.

0:41.5

That was supposed to be once in a generation.

0:43.7

Yeah, but the problem with that is the promises made to the Scottish people

0:48.2

included, if you want to preserve your membership of the European Union,

0:52.1

then you need to vote no.

0:53.4

And that was one of the main planks of the better together campaign.

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