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Hey everybody, this is Aubrey Chavez from

Faith Matters. Today we're bringing you a conversation with Carl Richards, and we think that this one

might just change the way you think and feel about money. You may know Carl as the sketch guy from his

decade-long New York Times column where he offered disarmingly relatable insights about money

using just cardstock and a sharpie. For Carl, money isn't just about spreadsheets and savings

accounts. He says it's a mirror, reflecting to us what we value most deeply. And for this reason,

he believes that money sits at the center of our spiritual lives. In this conversation, Carl invites

us to become what he calls world-class spenders,

not by spending more, but by spending more intentionally in ways that align with those deepest

values.

Carl is a certified financial planner and the bestselling author of The Behavior Gap and Your

Money, and he hosts the 50 Fires podcast where he has frank, funny, and sometimes difficult conversations

about money with guests from all walks of life.

Carl believes that money is the last taboo, the topic that we often still avoid even with those

closest to us.

But he has such a gift for helping us recognize the stories and the wounds that are shaping

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