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And then rounding out our quartet. Of course she is the host of my favorite podcasts in the world. Death sex and money and now the published author. Let's talk about hard things. It's Anna sale. Hello Anna.

Hello let Anna host. There you go. The return. Yeah, exactly.

Now Anna, you are broadcasting from a bunker in Wyoming. Is that correct? I did not realize the internet has extended that far. So I appreciate it that you were able to make this happen. I know your videos been choppy here and there, but we're happy to have you.

Well, do what we can. That's right. Yes, Cody Wyoming. What's going on? What's going on? What? What? What's happened before you go too far into this? Why are you all dressed up? You look so fancy.

Oh, yeah, well, you might think I dressed up for Anna, but no, I was I've been doing a wine stream right before this is like Mike. So I'm three fours of away through a bottle of mine. Oh, I'm right.

Time. We were going to tell them we were going to tell them we're going to have you like. I don't know if you saw it. Bear it was shirtless drinking beer during this stream. So we are coming in in rare form. Ready to talk to Anna. Welcome Anna.

She knew what you were signing up for. Anna, here's where I want to start with you. Here's where I want to start. Last time you came on the podcast, we did a one on one game over Gregie Show in 2017, which is forever ago, a lifetime ago.

But one of the things you and I talked about was, of course, you making this move from journalist to podcaster and how that felt because obviously you had been, you know, gone to school, you had been out there doing political stuff. And then, you know, through WNYC ended up doing death sex and money.

How does it feel now four years later, death sex and money has only gotten bigger. And then now you're writing a book. Like, where how do you describe yourself at dinner parties now?

I describe, I mean, it's like, you know, I look at people like you all and I'm like, why only one platform. I need to stretch and try to do more. I mean, the thing that was writing a book, it was, I found it quite hard. It's a lot harder than.

The thing that's so wonderful about podcasting is you are creating moments, you know, it's something that you prepare for you think about ahead of time. But then once you're doing it, it's like this thing that you're making in the moment with with the person you're interviewing the people you're making it with.

Writing is very lonesome, you know, it's me and it was me in a blank page for a long time and then me and a bunch of pages that needed to be revised.

But I tell you, it's the first thing I've ever made in my journalism career that I can hold in my hands, because I never use paper reporters, always radio, always making podcasts. It's pretty cool to have something to hold in your hands.

Well, I have you imagine. Yeah. And like, you know, it's incredible that you did it. And what I love about it is that, and I don't know if I'm sure you, you've obviously poured over this in many different times. But I don't know if anybody's told you like, how much it reads like death sex and money.

And then I went to the point that like I was reading it obviously, but then I was like, oh, man, I got to play this game for review, but it doesn't need my full attention. I got the audiobook off audible.

And it was so jarring to me to listen to you narrate your book and you do the thing where you're like, it's like when I interviewed Todd T or whatever.

And then where usually Todd would start talking, you would start quoting Todd and I was like, oh, that's weird. That's not how the show usually feels the vibe of it.

And I was recording the audiobook. I was like, when the quote quotation marks would show up, I was like, huh, what's my like reading a quote voice?

Because I thought, you know, I sort of have to go into like, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know, just like a totally different delivery.

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