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Let's officially stop comparing Adam Neumann and Elizabeth Holmes

Equity

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Entrepreneurship, Business News, News, Business, Technology

4.2372 Ratings

🗓️ 17 August 2022

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Hello and welcome back to Equity, a podcast about the business of startups, where we unpack the numbers and nuance behind the headlines. This is our Wednesday show, where we niche down to a single topic, think about a question and unpack the rest. And, I mean, are you surprised what we're working with this week? Of course we're talking about Flow, Adam Neumann's a16z-fueled return to real estate that is already reportedly valued above $1 billion. This week, Natasha asked: Is the return is a result of vision, track record, or Adam Neumann-privilege? She's joined by Anita Ramaswamy, the co-host of TechCrunch's crypto-focused podcast Chain Reaction. The duo wrote a piece about the tech community's reaction to Neumann's new startup, so consider this episode a mic'd up follow-up: The news, what we know, and what we still don't - including how much of that $350 million check is cash The reporter's notebook take on how to cover news that is sensationalist in nature. Do we give oxygen to something that is meant for a reaction? And when is something worth capturing versus worth waiting to see materialize? Why folks get checks, and Neumann's background in vision, track record and ability to raise money. After all, to succeed in becoming a venture-backed founder, all you need to be able to do is be good at getting venture backed. How this fits into the female founder takedown story - and why people need to stop comparing Neumann to Elizabeth Holmes. Fraud, my friend, is complicated. https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/15/tech-industry-reacts-to-adam-neumanns-a16z-backed-return-to-real-estate/ Equity drops every Monday at 7 a.m. PDT and Wednesday and Friday at 6 a.m. PDT, so subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. Credits: Equity is produced by Theresa Loconsolo with editing by Kell. Bryce Durbin is our Illustrator. We'd also like to thank the audience development team and Henry Pickavet, who manages TechCrunch audio products. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:18.0

Hello and welcome back to Equity, a podcast about the business of startups where we unpack the numbers and nuance behind the headlines. I'm Natasha Masqueranes and this is our Wednesday show where we niche down to a single topic think about a question and

0:24.1

unpack the rest. This week we are talking about the thing that has everyone tweeting,

0:29.2

reacting and changing their mind about one of the most famous venture firms out there right now.

0:34.2

It's the fact that Adam Newman is back, this time with a real estate company, a billion dollar

0:38.4

valuation, and lots of hot takes. So obviously the comeback is controversial and we're asking a question in return.

0:45.3

Is the return a result of vision, track record, or Adam Newman privilege?

0:49.2

Thankfully not alone as always. I'm joined by the wonderful Anita Ramaswami who host Chain Reaction.

0:55.6

Anita, thanks so much for jumping back on equity. You're almost irregular at this point.

1:00.1

Yeah, it's good to be here. We have a lot of hot takes to get through so I'm excited.

1:04.2

I know what we were saying before with this episode that it's going to feel a little bit therapeutic to talk through the reaction

1:09.9

and then actually get to some of the facts and investor perspectives here.

1:14.0

But I wanted to really start with, why are both of us talking about Adam Newman?

1:18.2

Neither of us were really on the We Work beat.

1:20.3

And you covered the first story I saw on this. So tell us how you ended up here.

1:24.0

Right, so I normally cover crypto and FinTech, as you all know on chain reaction and otherwise.

1:28.0

And so we work and Adam Newman is pretty outside of my wheelhouse.

1:32.0

But in May, you know, I saw the news that he had actually

1:34.8

raised funding for a startup called Flow Carbon

1:37.2

from Andresen Horowitz.

1:38.5

So that was pretty wild.

1:40.4

It's a startup that does like tokenized blockchain-based carbon credits.

1:44.0

Okay.

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