Welcome to Hello Somebody, a production of the Black Effect Network on I Heart Media.

Before we begin, I want to give some thanks to our team.

Thank you, Grace and Co. for our graphics.

Pepper Chambers for writing.

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Tiffany Hale for everything,

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All proceeds from Patreon go to support the production of this podcast joining us today on hello someone joining us today on hello somebody is award-winning journalist Jamil Hill.

In 2018, she was named Journalists of the Year by the National Association of Black Journalists.

She is a cultural critic, cultural icon, and a woman that tells it just like it is, as my grandmother

would say. She is the host of the podcast. Jamil Hill is unbothered. She's also a writer for the Atlantic

magazine. Jamil and I talked about several subjects, including instruments of the devil,

three-inch heels.

Come on, take a listen.

The last time we were together was in L.A.

It was a beautiful day, beautiful event, and you were the moderator for two amazing people,

but in particular, I got a strong bias towards Dr. Angela Davis, whose birthday we just recognized, you know,

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