Lessons to avoid societal collapse, from 5,000 years of history
Zero: The Climate Race
Bloomberg
4.8 • 296 Ratings
🗓️ 26 February 2026
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
Societal collapses happen more often than you think, and there’s much we can learn from the past to avoid or, at least, delay another one.
This week’s guest on Zero is Luke Kemp, author of Goliath's Curse, which draws lessons from the rise and fall of societies over 5,000 years of human history. Akshat Rathi asks Luke whether our current moment — with climate change and AI — makes us uniquely vulnerable to societal collapse or more resilient than we might think.
Explore further:
- Luke’s book, Goliath’s Curse
- The MOROS database
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| 0:45.1 | is subject to risk vanguard marketing corporation distributor. Welcome to Zero. I am Akshatrati. |
| 0:51.3 | This week, societal collapse and how to avoid it. |
| 1:07.4 | Every era has its moment of crisis, where it feels like the world is going to come to a screeching halt. |
| 1:13.6 | The 20th century saw World Wars, followed by the constant specter of nuclear Armageddon. |
| 1:19.6 | At the turn of the millennium, it was the Y2K bug that led to Dumaers getting lots of airtime. |
| 1:25.6 | And for me, growing up in India, there was no escape from Bollywood movies that reminded us |
| 1:31.1 | all that we were living in what Hindus called the Kalyuk, the era of darkness, the final |
| 1:36.9 | stage where God will destroy evil and kickstart the era of renewal. |
| 1:42.6 | The 21st century comes with its own threats. |
| 1:45.7 | Not only the one this podcast focuses most on climate change, but also pandemics. |
| 1:51.9 | And most recently, the idea that an AI gone rogue will think humans are no longer useful |
| 1:57.5 | and turn us all into paper clips. |
| 2:01.6 | Jokes aside, for many, fear of imminent societal collapse has grown with the realization |
| 2:07.6 | that the global politics is no longer the same. |
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