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GZERO World with Ian Bremmer

Lessons of the SolarWinds attack

GZERO World with Ian Bremmer

GZERO Media

Politics, News, Foreign Policy, News Commentary, Government, Geopolitics, International Relations, Ian Bremmer, Trump, Global Economy, Gzero World

4.7830 Ratings

🗓️ 13 April 2022

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Two years after the discovery of one of the largest cyber attacks in history, we’re looking at the current state of security for both software and hardware supply chains. In early 2020, a group of hackers broke into a software system built and managed by the Texas-based company SolarWinds. The malware they installed was eventually downloaded by thousands of SolarWinds customers, including both private companies and government agencies like the US State Department. SolarWinds has since said the number of clients actually hacked was far lower. What lessons were learned, and how vulnerable are information and communication technology supply chains today? In the third episode of Patching the System, a GZERO podcast produced as part of the Global Stage partnership with Microsoft, we’re examining that question with two top experts in the field. Our participants are: Gaus Rajnovic, cybersecurity manager at Panasonic Europe Charles Carmakal, senior vice president and chief technology officer at Mandiant Ali Wyne, Eurasia Group Senior Analyst (moderator)

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scope and coverage. That is why those supply chain attacks are so dangerous. They spread

0:08.7

easily and relatively quickly. As an average person, though, it is impossible for us to really

0:15.5

consider all the variety of cybersecurity attacks that are out there. And in general, the right practice is to

0:22.9

have some level of trust of the vendors, of the software that you use.

0:33.8

Welcome to patching the system, a special podcast for the Global Stage series, a partnership between GZERMedia and Microsoft.

0:41.5

I'm Ali Wine, a senior analyst at Eurasia Group.

0:44.7

Throughout this series, we're highlighting the work of the Cybersecurity Tech Accord, a public

0:48.8

commitment from more than 150 global technology companies dedicated to creating a safer cyber world for all of us.

0:55.6

Today we're talking about a cyber attack so massive it became a household name, SolarWinds.

1:01.5

In early 2020, a group of hackers broke into a software system called Orion, which was built

1:06.6

and managed by the Texas-based company, SolarWinds. They installed malicious code, and later that spring,

1:12.7

it was unwittingly delivered to customers in routine software updates. In total, more than 18,000

1:18.5

clients were affected, including large private companies, as well as some government agencies,

1:23.3

including the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security. Now, the Solar Winds hack is an example of what we call a supply chain attack

1:30.9

on information and communication technology, or ICT, for short.

1:35.1

We're going to talk about what those kinds of attacks are

1:37.7

and why they pose a serious and unique threat in the world of cyber attacks.

1:42.0

Joining us now are two industry representatives who work on different sides of this issue.

1:46.6

First, Charles Carmichael, who is a senior vice president and chief technology officer at Mandiant,

1:52.3

a security research firm working to discover and thwart bad actors who target technology products

1:57.2

and services.

1:58.3

Charles, it's great to have you here.

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