What is up everyone? Welcome back to the Epic Gardening Podcast. We're joined again by

Nancy Hayden. She and her husband John are the owners of the Farm Between Farm

and they're the co-author of the book Farming on the Wild Side,

which is what we're talking about in today's show.

We got a little bit of history yesterday on their farming journey and how they've moved towards a very wild beyond organic style approach

to farming which is certainly right up my alley.

So Nancy, could you tell us a little bit about, you know, how did the book even come to be in the first

place and then, you know, if I book even come to be in the first place and then you know if I bought

it and I was a home gardener that's just looking to get my toes wet into this type of

world it can't seem quite overwhelming right and so what is a what is a reader going to get out of the book?

Well, let me start with that question first.

I think what they're going to get out of it is sort of an appreciation of this

ecosystem's approach that I mentioned the other day. Everything's connected. The

things that you do in one part of your garden can impact other parts, what you do to the soil,

you know, how you treat your plants and all that can have a big effect. We're all connected. So I think that's a that's a good

ecological thinking is what I what I hope a lot of people get out of it. I think then the other thing we hope that people get out of it is sort of inspiration to do something. I mean gardening is so good for you in so many ways in terms of the

physicality of it and producing your own wholesome food and getting you out into

nature and learning about insects and birds and all the other great

things that our natural world provides for us.

So I hope that that is what people kind of by hearing our story and seeing how

we are thinking about things, maybe that'll open their eyes as to, you know, wow, this is really great stuff. And then the other thing I hope

that people get out of since just try things. I mean, we mention some of our mistakes in there, not all of them, but some of them and some of our thinking

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