What's going on everyone? Welcome back to the Epic Gardening Podcast. Today we have an

amazing guest Nancy Hayden. She's the co-owner of the Farm Between and the

co-author of the Farming on the Wildside book which is available

now.

So she's co- because she's doing that all with her husband John Hayden.

So they've been no-till farmers for the last 10 years didn't start out that way and

actually that's what we're going to get into in today's episode. So Nancy, first of all,

thanks so much for coming on. I think it's going to be a fun week.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, of course.

So I think it'd be great to start with the farm, right?

It's called the farm between and talking a little bit about your progression from how you started out and how you are now as a no-till

farmer doing quite a bit of different things.

Okay, we did start out in livestock, sheep mostly, and chickens, meat birds, and turkeys and that kind of thing. This was a old dairy farm that gone out of business.

So it had a lot of barns and some pasture and things like that.

But with that said, they didn't,

you know, they'd been haing and not putting anything back into the soil.

So it needed some regeneration and that was a good part of starting with some animals and

and plus we wanted to feed our family, you know, good wholesome organic meats and things like that which were hard to get back in the

early 90s we added vegetables and started doing CSA and farmers markets and the usual type of thing we had draft horses to help us with a lot of the

Tilling of the soil we We were tilling. We did start noticing that maybe there was some issues with the

soil. We did a lot of cover cropping and those types of things as well. But and that kind of started us thinking about alternatives. A

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