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This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C.,

and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello, and welcome to Words Matter.

The podcast we do every week, I'm Norm Ornstein. We do it with David Rothkopf,

who was unavailable today. So we had to find somebody to replace him who was even better.

And we were able to do that with Josh Marshall, who of course, familiar to so, created TPM, a must source for everything about not just politics and the horrors we face as our democracy is under existential threat, but so much more.

Josh, I want to start with just a mini rant for a minute, and then we can delve

into even more. And that is last night, which is, for those tuning in a little bit later,

Wednesday night, I went to the annual dinner for the Holocaust Museum in Washington, which happens every year

at Holocaust Remembrance time.

And it's a pack dinner, very compelling, often as it was last night for how long we don't

know, with some Holocaust survivors.

There are only about a thousand left in the world, and they won't be around that much longer,

along with some quite remarkable soldiers in their 90s or even a little bit older, who had

liberated the camps, and many others.

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