It is the challenges that are the opportunities.

I look at life as just one giant analogy for everything in life.

And the ocean, the opportunity, the panic, all of that,

that's all things that happen in your daily life on the surface.

These fears come, they can freak you out, they can make you run, they can make you say I never

want to try that, they can make you shut down or it can be the biggest opportunity to become

the person that you want to be and overcome something. And we're back from our 19th anniversary celebration in Mexico.

And we're back with another episode of He Said She Said.

And we're back from our 19th anniversary celebration in Mexico. That was an awesome trip. Yeah, I really was craving the ocean,

it was craving something warm. I was craving just being by a pool or by the water and really having some space and I think that that's exactly what it did for us.

It just got to the point even where it was like, I just need some clear space in my head where it's like you almost

allow yourself to get bored so that you can be creative again. And I really feel so grateful that we did this and gave ourselves just clear space.

We had days where we didn't have anything planned.

And for two people who like to have a lot planned and who are very

It was tough at first. It was kind of challenging and you know truly creativity

requires boredom. It requires space in order to flood back in and this morning was the first

morning where I was like, ooh, I feel really really excited to create again.

One of the exercises that we do when we go on these like anniversary vacations is we'll book ourselves at a beautiful resort.

We sit by the pool and we pull out this list that we have on our iPhones just literally notes of things that we're chasing down that we want, that we want to acquire, that we want to achieve.

And it's fun because we go through the list, you know, it seems like we do it every year to 18 months or so we update this thing.

And we go through the list and we're like, my god we're so close to this and then some things are like wait I don't want this anymore and so it's this live

always morphing list of why we work hard, what we're chasing down, what our biggest

...