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Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show. But first two very important questions. Have you ever tried to

stack models while wearing boxing gloves? Also, did you know that miracles in geraniums hate each

of your children? Absolutely. And now your host, Eric Mataxis. Hey, folks, that's almost true.

I got to tell you every now and again, I talk to people about Mike Pence. I've had the joy of

getting to know him a little bit and he's just the most wonderful person. He's the real deal. He's a

real Christian. Most of us know that because he's kind of demonized that way in the press as some

draconian evangelical. Somebody has written a book about him. It's called The Faith of Mike Pence.

And I'm excited to talk to her. Her name is Leslie Montgomery and she's right here. Leslie,

welcome to program. Well, thank you. Nice to be here. Well, when you say The Faith of Mike Pence,

I have to say that some folks wrote a book called The Faith of Donald J. Trump, which came out

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