Welcome back to Kaffiru cast everyone. I am your host, Aaron Snyder. I've got

Frank the tank perolta across from me. Frank what's up? And we got a long time

friend and really really special guest and someone I didn't think we'd ever

really have access to. I'm gonna call you Leo the Lion because that's what you

are on my my phone is Leo the Lion and Leo you are you've worked in law

enforcement fishing game for how long 34 and a half years 34 years and

you're retired now. I am. All right and you work over Rocky Mountain

especially the year part time. Yep. You have to see me all the time and Frank

which I get tired of that. We all have a cross to bear. Exactly. So you and I

I had initially heard your name through a mutual friend I think you drew a

goat tag. That's correct. Yep. And he just asked me if I knew where a goat was

and told him where I saw it decent goat and I think you guys went in and killed

it didn't you. My wife and I did. Yep. Yeah and then we met same friend different

hunt on one of his hunts we met and then have become you know friends ever since

and then again we see each other at you know Rocky Mountain now you give us a

little history of your I guess career you just told me you started in a fish

hatchery but kind of how you progress into the fish and wildlife as a game

more and over time. Okay first of all I just want to say thanks for the

opportunity to be here and share a little bit about my world that I did for a

good part of my life. It's a very special part and I actually got paid to have

fun whether it was packing in the wilderness or in the middle of a metro area

in the streets in New York and Chinatown how I started I kind of I'm like the

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