All right, welcome listeners to episode 137 of Know Your Enemy. I'm Matt Sitman, your podcast, co-host,

and I'm here as always with my great friend Sam Edel Bell, who I spent so much time with

recording this conversation, as well as our guests, Matt Dynan. Hello, Samuel. Hi, Matt.

This one is a barn burner. It's a dozy.

Yes, two and a half hours about Leo Strauss's natural right and history. And because the episode is so long, this will be a very short intro.

Yeah, we shouldn't dwell. But this episode, I imagine, is going to be beloved by the super nerds in the audience.

I really think you will not hear on any other podcast a more detailed or compelling walk through

the paces of this extraordinarily interesting and challenging book.

For better or worse, you won't hear this anywhere else.

Yeah. There might be a reason you won't hear it anywhere else. Yes, we are pushing the podcast

format to the absolute limits of what it can contain. Oh, but it was so fun.

Yes. This is what is all about for me. This was classic, know your enemy shit.

Yes.

Just to wrap my head around these arguments and talk about them with you and Matt Dynan,

who was so brilliant.

I had so much fun.

Yes.

Listeners, this is the third actually in our occasional series of episodes dedicated to

important or at least illustrative books

written by conservatives or in some cases, perhaps this one, adopted by conservatives more

than produced by one of their own.

And remember, our first in this series was Christopher Caldwell's 2020 book, The Age of Entitlement,

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