Oh, hey, it's the bird hanging out near your park bench, hoping that your sandwich crumbles into pieces,

alley ward. And listen, no matter what place in your life, leemers have, make some room,

because it's about to get bigger. What are these animals?

Well, the most endangered mammals on earth, but also I'm going to be a little shallow.

They're the cutest. And in that van diagram of adorable and and vulnerable there exists pure relevance.

So this guest is someone whose work I've loved for years.

She's based at Duke University in North Carolina where there is a world-renowned Leymr Center.

They got free-range lemars running all over the forests as Leymr ecologists assist with

conservation breeding programs, they take notes, they watch them, they collect their poop,

doing non-invasive research, it's a dream. You can also visit the Duke Leymer Center and you can look at Leymers

if so inclined, which who wouldn't be so this ologists did their undergrad at Duke in

evolutionary anthropology and they did a PhD in ecology studying

at Madagascar and she's worked at the Duke Leymmer Center,

did a post-doc at a Leymmer lab

studying adaptation and hibernation

and she's an excellent science communicator and a champion of leamers.

We're going to get into it including questions that you submitted via Patreon.com slash ologies, which you can

join for a hot dollar a month. Thank you to patrons and to everyone out there wearing

ologies merge from ologiesmerch.com. Thanks also to everyone who's ever

written a review which really helps keep us up in the charts where more people can

find us.

And I read everyone, including one this week from Haley,

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