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I want to take a step back and I want to have a conversation with you guys about the state

of American media right now, from the so-called mainstream media

to the Manosphere, all of these new terms. Remember mainstream media? I think it was a Fox News

thing. And then the Manosphere now, which is new from the last election. No better person to talk

about that than my guest right now. And that is Mr. Jim Rutenberg. Welcome to the stage.

There he is. He is a writer at

large with the New York Times, the New York Times Magazine. He has pinned quite literally,

not kidding, thousands of pieces for the Grey Lady covering everything from media analysis

to political reporting. If you're a big fan of the New York Times podcast, a daily, which I am,

Michael Barbaro, even sent him

my thoughts on what I think of his shows almost on a weekly basis. You heard Jim chat,

Jim's chat last week about how Nixon demanded, dreamed, excuse me, of breaking the media

and now Trump is doing it. Jim, welcome. Thank you, sir. Thanks for having me.

What do you, what do you mean by that? Nixon dreamed of it now Trump is doing it. Jim, welcome. Thank you, sir. Thanks for having me. What do you, what,

what do you mean by that? Nixon dreamed of it now Trump is, is doing it. You think Trump is

breaking the media? Well, I think he's going, he's kind of following a Nixon playbook in some

very specific ways and even already in some cases,

and I'm talking kind of in terms of government power,

going a little bit farther even,

and in terms of the FCC, for instance, is investigating some of the big networks

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