Welcome, everybody to the Don Lemon Show.

Ms. Peppermint is an American actress, a singer, a songwriter, transgender activist, and a legendary drag

entertainer. She is a new film premiering this weekend titled A Deeper Love in the Story of

Miss Pepperman. And I forgot, she's also my friend, hi, Miss Pepperman, how you doing?

Hey, Don, I am fantastic. I'm so happy to be with you.

You know what? I was laughing with my, um, with my, Don, I am fantastic. I'm so happy to be with you. You know what? I was laughing with my, with my crew, and we were saying, with the producers on the show, I said, you know, Miss Pepperman has more lives than a cat. I've seen her through a lot of iterations and, but you're always working. You're always doing something. Yeah, always doing something yeah honey we've seen you at all hours of the night i've been in this bar i've been in this part of town i've

had this show uptown downtown dc everywhere we saw each other on the steps of the capital

so sure did on what a day yeah i know and that's what that's when i said i got to get you on the show of the Capitol. Sure did. On what a day.

Yeah, I know. And that's what, that's when I said, I got to get you on the show and we got to talk about this stuff. So can we talk some news? Let's go in. Let's go in. So Pepperman, you know, Scotus is taking up this conversion therapy this week. I don't know if you heard about it. The Supreme Court heard oral arguments for Childs v. Salazar's a case that could very likely legalize conversion therapy for gay and transgender Americans. A legal battle, it centers on a Christian therapist who says at her free speech

rights have been violated by Colorado law barring mental health professionals from seeking

to change a minor sexual orientation or gender identity.

I mean, do you think conversion therapy bans violate the First Amendment? Even if they do,

is that a violation worth it to, I mean, because you're protecting kids and teens from

the beatings and the torture that are so often associated with conversion therapy.

Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm not a legal scholar, and I know that there's more than one way to skin a cat, if it were.

I know that there are different tactics and strategies that legal experts use in order to get to the result that we want, which in this case is no conversion therapy.

All I know is that conversion therapy is harmful. We've seen it throughout, I mean, in our own lifetimes.

This isn't even something that's extremely historic that they are also trying to chip away at, like, you know,

you know, interracial marriage like, you know, you know,

interracial marriage or you know, like slavery.

They're like starting to talk about how good that was, you know.

But with conversion therapy, even as, as recently as into the mid to late 20, you know,

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