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When we first booked Andy, he was talking about, what was it, the Nephilim and Nephlehem? And I know you're

into the wordplay stuff and like you were talking about the box saga. So started off.

What's been on your mind with that? If you can find... Well, yeah, it's, it's definitely been a

long time since I've been on here talking about that. I think I did talk a little bit about

box saga when I was on here

long time ago and it was kind of like I was just getting into it for the most part. So my mind

was blown, you know, but since then, I've just kind of taken away a number of key points from

the saga and I've tried to see if I can apply it to other areas of history.

Basically, the most drastic thing that the box saga did for me was it removed ancient aliens.

So that was something that I was really into for a lot of years.

And I was never full tilt.

You know, a lot of times I would watch ancient aliens and where they would consider that extraterrestrials

were like the ultimate answer.

Sometimes I'd be like, I wonder if this was like psychedelics

and humans just getting advanced on their own or something.

You know, I wasn't fully blown into the, you know,

extraterrestrial idea, but I was very open to it. And Zacharias Sitchin, I have all

of his books either in here or downstairs. And, you know, I was really into that whole idea. And the

saga just completely took that away, without a doubt for me. And I was like, okay, so a lot of what

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