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Our guest tonight is somebody who I just found recently in the last week or two, which is weird

because I listened to all the same shows everybody else does.

And you'd think I would have heard of him before.

And I told you about him two years ago.

Yeah.

I did.

I promise.

He's, uh, he's definitely on the, he's written several fucking books.

And if you listen to this show, you're, it's going to be right up your alley.

Everybody loves this type of topic who listens to this type of show.

So I titled this one and end upside

down thinking because that's kind of the series of books he wrote. And it covers all kinds of

shit. But what really grabbed my attention, I think it was on your show with Greg from

Higher Side chats. And we were talking before the show, but the way that you approach that type of thing

is very unique to me, because that's the way I think, as I was telling you.

But it's not so much, you know, proselytizing, evangelical, the earth is flat

type of thing. It's, what we've been fed is not correct. And you point that out very

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