Legendary diplomat Chas W. Freeman, Jr., on U.S.-China strategy and history: Part 3
Sinica Podcast
Kaiser Kuo
4.8 • 676 Ratings
🗓️ 30 August 2018
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
This week on Sinica, we bring you part 3 of Kaiser and Jeremy’s interview with Chas W. Freeman, Jr. (see part 1 here, and part 2 here). In the final stretch of the conversation, Ambassador Freeman talks about U.S.-China military cooperation in the 1980s and discusses some aspects of that cooperation that might really surprise you. He also shares his unconventional take on the “three Ts” — Tibet, Taiwan, and Tiananmen. Recommendations: Jeremy: Maka Angola, a website “dedicated to the struggle against corruption and to the defense of democracy in Angola,” which has recently been covering the scandals of Isabel dos Santos, the richest woman on the African continent. See this article from July 23 — Isabel dos Santos: The fall of Africa’s richest woman — and also a Financial Times lunch series piece from 2013 on dos Santos here (paywall). Chas: SPQR: A History of Ancient Rome, by Mary Beard, and a series of seven books on Julius Caesar — here is a link to the first one — by Colleen McCullough. Chas finds much about the collapse of the Roman republic and the rise to autocracy of Julius Caesar “relevant to our current situation.” Jeremy mentions that Mary Beard also edited a series called “Wonders of the World,” of which the entry on the Forbidden City by Geramie Barmé is “the single best thing to read” about the subject. Kaiser: AliExpress, the Alibaba site where you can buy a huge range of products directly from China for surprisingly cheap.
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| 1:22.8 | political and cultural news about a nation that is reshaping the world. I'm Kaiser Guo, and today it's the third and final part of our interview with Ambassador Chaz W. Freeman. |
| 1:33.6 | Hopefully you've heard parts one and two, because we pick up right where we left off last time. |
| 1:38.4 | Jeremy, your question. |
| 1:40.5 | Ronald Reagan, during the 1980 electoral race, was not necessarily on board with normalization and made that very clear on the campaign trail. |
| 1:48.0 | Chas, can you tell our listeners what changed with Reagan's election with respect to China and Taiwan? |
| 1:54.0 | And what happened once he was in office? |
| 1:57.0 | Well, he had two plans which he had announced. One was to restore official relations with |
| 2:03.5 | Tai Bei, which would of course have undone the basic normalization bargain. And the other was to |
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