Legally Brunette Presents: 'Til Death Do Us Part - John List
Legally Brunette
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🗓️ 12 April 2026
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Summary
John List meticulously murdered his entire family in 1971 before fleeing the state, creating an entirely new life for himself, and avoiding arrest for nearly 18 years.
How did he manage to get away with his atrocious crimes? What was his motive for killing his wife, three children and his mother? When he later remarried under a different persona, did his new wife ever suspect him to be a killer?
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. |
| 0:05.8 | Hi, guys. Welcome to Legally Brunette Presents, Till Death Do Us Part, where we talk about cases |
| 0:13.0 | in which wives try to get rid of their husbands or husbands try to get rid of their wives. |
| 0:17.4 | And today we're going to do an update on the Gerhard Koenig trial. We talked about it last |
| 0:23.0 | week. So if you didn't listen to the episode, you should go back and listen to it because, |
| 0:26.8 | again, I feel like you'd have to live under a rock to not have at least know a little bit or |
| 0:32.1 | have seen his face out there. This is the case of the doctor. He's an anesthesiologist who tried to push his wife. |
| 0:41.7 | Allegedly. He did it. He did. Allegedly tried to push his wife off of the Palipuka Trail in Hawaii. |
| 0:50.7 | He attempted and he failed. He failed miserably. And the trial has been going on. |
| 0:56.7 | And we left off last week where we were recorded an episode. Ariel had taken the stand and then |
| 1:05.2 | also the witness. And there were some other people that had testified. But at the time that we |
| 1:09.3 | recorded it, Gerhard had not taken the stand. |
| 1:12.8 | And we were also contemplating whether his son was going to take the stand and testify. |
| 1:16.6 | Well, we heard he was. We heard he was. It was hard to believe. Right. And we didn't know. |
| 1:21.5 | I mean, we didn't know if he was going to testify against his dad or what. But now we know. |
| 1:26.4 | So let's talk about it. |
| 1:33.8 | Gerhardt took the stand in his own defense, admitting that he struck his wife with a rock during their hike, but he claimed that he was acting in self-defense after she allegedly |
| 1:38.4 | tried to push him off the cliff and attacked him first. |
| 1:43.2 | So obviously, if his whole defense to this trial is self-defense, |
| 1:50.3 | he's going to have to testify on his own behalf because obviously he's the only person that can |
| 1:54.4 | testify as to what he claims happened. So what do you think about him testifying on his own behalf? Usually when a defendant |
| 2:02.9 | testifies, generally speaking, it's likely against the advice of their attorney, generally speaking, |
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