Legal Burnout (Ep. 420)
Thinking LSAT
Nathan Fox and Ben Olson
4.8 • 868 Ratings
🗓️ 18 September 2023
⏱️ 75 minutes
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Summary
Kate Bridal and Josey Hoff, hosts of The Legal Burnouts podcast, join Ben and Nathan to discuss why burnout is such a common problem for legal professionals. They advise future lawyers on how to plan for a healthy, sustainable career.
Follow Kate @bridalpartyof5 on Instagram and TikTok, and follow Josey @jh_thelegalburnouts on Instagram.
1:47 - Legal Burnout - Josey and Kate share their stories of burnout and warn listeners about the realities of legal practice. Toxic law firm culture, zero work-life balance, pervasive mental health and drug problems, and student loan debt all plague legal professionals. Even if you love the law, you may never enjoy working in the law.
26:08 - Nonprofit and Public Interest Work - Kate and Josey describe the emotional tolls of working for nonprofits in the public interest. While many people aspire to do this kind of work, systemic issues make it more challenging and less fruitful than they’d envisioned. Law students often feel constant pressure from their peers and their law schools to work in a traditional law firm—not in the public interest. And practically no one follows through on plans to leave big law for a nonprofit once their student loans are paid off.
1:02:48 - Advice for Students - Josey and Kate advise prospective law students to seek out lawyers and to gain law firm work experience before deciding to go to law school. They also explain the importance of setting personal boundaries in law school and with clients so that the law doesn’t consume your life.
1:07:00 - The Legal Burnouts Podcast - Kate and Josey share the backstory on how they met, why they decided to start their podcast, and who some of their favorite guests have been so far.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to episode 420 of the Thinking Elsap Podcast. |
| 0:07.0 | I'm Ben Olson with me is Nathan Fox. |
| 0:13.7 | We're the co-founder of El-Sat Demon.com and the El-Sat Demon Daily podcast. |
| 0:18.0 | You can be El-Sat famous by sharing news and asking questions on our website, that's |
| 0:22.4 | thinking El-Sat.com. If you took the |
| 0:25.1 | Elsat at an in-person testing center we want to hear from you we want to know |
| 0:29.3 | about your experience that's kind of a new thing how did it it go? What did you think? Would you recommend it to somebody else? |
| 0:36.0 | Oh, this is news to me. |
| 0:39.0 | Apparently on Monday, October 9th, I am doing a free class. that's 10 a.m. Pacific 1 p.m. Eastern. I don't even know what I'm |
| 0:48.0 | discussing in that class actually I just clicked on the link it looks like logical |
| 0:51.8 | reasoning so yeah if you're struggling at all with logical reasoning come to that class you can sign up for it at |
| 0:58.4 | Elsat.link forward slash free. What we do is we do actual El-SAT questions in class and then I walk through them and talk |
| 1:06.8 | you through how you should be thinking about the question, the answer choices before you even read the question. |
| 1:14.6 | So I'm reading the passage or the argument. |
| 1:17.2 | I'm breaking it down. |
| 1:18.6 | That's where 80, 90% of the work takes place. And the point of that class is to show you how to do that. |
| 1:25.6 | I guess I want to point out here that that's, it's Ben, that's your just normal Monday class, right? |
| 1:30.7 | You didn't even, it's like nothing special nothing different |
| 1:33.2 | it's actually our product and that's on Monday October 9th 10 a.m. |
| 1:38.0 | Pacific 1 p.m. Eastern it's just Ben's class for free so if you want to go to |
| 1:41.3 | Ben's class check out what we have to offer at |
| 1:43.5 | El sat Demon you should definitely do that. Yeah, please come. Today we have two |
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