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Hey, everybody. What's up? Thanks for coming in. Really appreciate it. I wanted to dive more into the Taylor-Frank-Pol situation from a legal perspective. And I want to bring these two women on. Kristen Holstrom and Sam McBride, they are family law attorneys in California. They are known as the custody queens on Instagram. So let's

bring him in right now. Sam, Kristen, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having us. Hello,

hello. So there's obviously a lot to unpack here. A lot has happened since Thursday when the

video got out of Taylor Frankie Paul's domestic violence arrest from 2023.

And we find out the next day that she has lost custody of her son ever.

But that's a whole completely different situation, I think.

But maybe you guys can add a legal perspective to it.

But I want to go back to 2023.

And I'll start with you, Sam.

So in 2023, we know that this police report has been out there. And it was covered on the first

episode of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. They literally showed not the video that we saw Thursday.

They conveniently only showed the body cam footage of her getting arrested and then subsequently four more seasons

after that of her being essentially the star of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives.

So I guess for me, as an outsider, my perspective is when that night happened the way it did,

the police report came out.

She clearly went in front of a judge. We know

that there were four charges against her. Three of them ended up getting dropped, and she accepted

an aggravated assault charge and three years probation. So I'm not here to say whether or not she

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