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The parameters of the possible are defined by ideology.

And the difficulties of legislation and the hurdles and the hoops you have to jump through on the road to establishing good policy, those are defined by ideology.

Ideology permeates the entire political system and in a lot of ways boxes it in.

Hello, welcome to the blind show on the Vox Media podcast network.

Obviously one of the things I'm interested in on the show is ideology and how it is changing in America right now.

And we spend a lot of time talking about Donald Trump, but certainly one of the very important changes happening is the eruption of quite powerful democratic socialist block within the Democratic party.

You see it obviously in Bernie Sanders candidacy, but you also see it in the opinion and punditry and reporting worlds are new outlets that are dedicated to this like Jack Bin and current affairs.

You have a lot of writers doing it.

And one of the things that I'm really fascinated by within this is what are these cleavages really are they are they differences in ideology are they differences in political tactics often feel like I'm listening or involved in arguments that frame is being you know one side supports Medicare for all and the other side doesn't.

But actually they end up being about what one side of the other believes is politically possible.

So we just seeing people argue over what the boundaries of the possible really are this kind of tracing what are the actual disagreements has been something I want to do for a long time.

And so I'm very glad Elizabeth Brunig was willing to join me on the podcast today to do it. Liz is a Washington Post calmness.

She has a very very fascinating background. She's a PhD candidate in religion at Brown University. So she also has a sort of religious liberalism to her and I just think she's a really thoughtful and interesting articulator of what this left is and what it means and where it differs from.

And so I think it's a great way to say Obama coalition that came before it. So I was really, really enjoyed this conversation as always you can email me as a client show at box calm that is as a client show at box calm here is Elizabeth Brunig.

Elizabeth Brunig welcome to the podcast. Thanks so much for having me.

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