Left turn: who should Reform target?
Coffee House Shots
The Spectator
4.4 • 2.2K Ratings
🗓️ 10 April 2026
⏱️ 15 minutes
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Summary
Gawain Towler, Reform UK board member and their former director of communications, sits down with James Heale to talk about Reform's appeal ahead of the local elections. Gawain argues that Reform needs to broaden its appeal as it won't find the votes to win to its right, but points to their anti-establishment, nationalist and pro-business credentials. While acknowledging that some of the negative stories about a minority of Reform councillors is uncomfortable, he argues that the scrutiny that comes with governing is necessary in order for Reform to prove credibility and competency for national government.
Gawain also dismisses Rupert Lowe's Restore Britain as 'not a political project' but 'an angry swipe back at Reform' and says there is not much evidence Lowe can win outside of Great Yarmouth.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, welcome to the special edition of Coffee House Shots. I'm James Hill and I'm joined today by Gwyn Tauler, former Directors Communications for Reform UK. Now we're discussing, Gwain, about the sort of different party strategies in the run-up to the local elections. We've got four weeks to go. What exactly is Reform's big pitch this time last year? It was Doge. What's it for the next 12 months? I think it's for the next 12 months you've got mad campaign mode, as we always do. There's one thing that we can do very well is campaign. It's an interesting combination of our style of campaigning. It's very old-fashioned, well, very up-to-date. It's the public meetings. It's the doing things. I was in Durham |
| 0:38.9 | last week. I was in Ashton Under Lime only a couple of days ago. I go up there, canvas, public meeting, |
| 0:46.4 | thank for the supporters and all the rest of it, and so on and so forth. And this is, that's me at my |
| 0:50.9 | level. And it's happening all over constantly constantly i walked into a room on a bank holiday |
| 0:55.6 | monday when the sun was out and there were 30 people in there stuffing envelopes and signing envelopes |
| 1:00.0 | for the postal vote letters so it's a very old-fashioned campaign in that sense but it's all whiz-bang |
| 1:06.6 | social media back shiny shiny shiny so it's an interesting combination i'm probably the best of both |
| 1:12.3 | worlds in some ways but uh what are we doing there was something i saw about a survey of reform |
| 1:20.1 | councils as were elected last time by the grantham institute that wonderful climate alarmist |
| 1:25.2 | organization part of the lSE and they did a scorecard of the |
| 1:29.1 | councils we won last year. And the more I read it, the happier I got. Now, it didn't please the |
| 1:34.4 | Grantham Institute, of course, but you saw a systematic dismantling of climate alarmism. Sensible, |
| 1:42.3 | mitigating policies, yes, but you take away the net zero fanaticism |
| 1:46.3 | and focus on policies that actually make a difference on the ground. You stop the waste, |
| 1:51.5 | you stop this, this, this panic, panic, panic, the virtue stuff. I just get on with stuff. |
| 1:56.0 | Now, if we are doing that and doing that across the board of the council which won last time, |
| 2:00.4 | this I think is a |
| 2:01.0 | very good sign, the sort of practical stuff on the ground that we can do without shouting about |
| 2:06.3 | it, not much song and dance, but just getting on with it. And the whole purpose in many ways |
| 2:11.2 | of the campaigning seriously at local council, which we've never done, the tribe has never done |
| 2:16.0 | in the 20-odd years I've been |
| 2:17.5 | involved until last year. And that is, if we wish the country to trust us with our government, |
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