Hello, this is the game podcast from The Times and I'm Natalie Sawyer.

Joining Gregor Robertson and I today it is Ben Rachel.

Ben, how are you?

I'm good.

Lovely to have you on the pod with us.

It's a debut for you.

Yeah, yeah, yes, it's been a long time,

particularly to talk about something so close to my heart.

You certainly were celebrating over the weekend so that's probably given a big hint.

Gregor how you doing?

I'm good yeah probably not quite as good as been and maybe a little bit better than you after the weekend

football.

Oh, thanks, Grego.

I didn't need a hiding.

But anyhow, yep, I know, I know.

But we'll get into all of that in a little while, of course.

But had a good weekend Gregor yes I was

doing at the valley for Charlton against Wigan which was that was a game yeah oh yeah

so much reading on it and and that kind of late goal from Macaulay Bond for Charlen. It just, you know, Wiggin, that might have seen Wiggin safe, but now they're relying on other teams even if they beat Fulham.

So yeah we're going to get into all this. There's so much to play for in a championship still.

Oh, there really is, it's unbelievable.

There is loads coming up today as we look back on not one but two managerial

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