Hi, this is Vivi Owens, and you're listening to the award-winning podcast. Moms don't have time to read books.

And speaking of books, I have two of my own books coming out this spring and summer.

Princess Charming is a picture book, which debuts on April 19th. And Bookends, a memoir of love, loss, and literature.

Comes out on July 1st, and it is truly a labor of love.

I hope you'll pre-order, order, and join me on tour as I go across the country.

You can find out more at Zibiowens.com or bookendsmemoir.com.

And you can follow me on Instagram at Zibby Owens because I always post about everything.

Enjoy the show.

Lee Kravitz is the author of The Last Confessions of Sylvia P.

Lee teaches fiction and nonfiction at the San Francisco Writers Grotto,

has lectured at Stanford University's Wallace Stinger Fellowship Program

and UC Berkeley's Creative Writing Program

and is co-founder of the Lit Camp Riders Conference with collaborators Jonathan Latham, Adam Johnson, Andrew

Sean Greer, Paul Harding, and Janice Cook Newman. The author of two nonfiction books,

Strange Contagion and Supervisors with David B. Feldman, Lee has also written for

print and TV outlets, including the New York Times, New York Magazine, The Atlantic, and Sesame

Street. Lee has a master's degree in counseling psychology, has held positions at the VA Palo Alto

health care system, the National Center for PTSD, and Stanford University Hospital.

He lives in the San Francisco Bay Area with his wife and children. Welcome, Lee. Thanks so much

for coming on moms. Don't have time to read books. We're going to discuss the last confessions

of Sylvia P. your latest novel. Yeah. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. Well, we were just

trotting before we started filming about my color-coded bookcases, but I wanted to hear more about your experience working at Penguin and what that was like going in the bookroom. That is so cool. Oh, the mystical, magical bookroom. I'm probably talking out of school here, but one of the best parts of, I mean, there's a lot of great things about working and publishing. This is before I got into the writing side, I was working on the behind-the-scenes side. And so, you know, you get to work with amazing authors, you get to work with amazing people putting books together. And, but it's probably not, I mean, it's probably very well known that you don't get paid a heck of a lot of money when you're in book publishing. It's certainly not at the beginning. But the best part about it is you would go into the bookroom. And the bookroom had shelves and shelves of books that were about to come out or books that were had just come out. And one of the benefits was you could go through and you could pick out all the books that you wanted.

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