I am having a hard time, you know, in the way in which I relate to the music, you know, like,

are you kidding me? You know, that breakdown and don't stop to you get enough you know that want to be starting

something loop I can never play mama say mama saw my makus saw no more are you kidding me

I'm pissed because that's dope because that shit is dope Oh, I'm Autumn Brown, a queer science fiction writer, a mother of dragons,

and a healing justice facilitator for social movements

living in rural Minnesota.

And I'm Adrian Marie Brown,

author of emergent strategy, author of Pleasure Activism, Poetitor of Octavia's

Brood, Anti Extraordinaire, and Facilitator living in Detroit. And this is how to survive the end of the world.

Our podcast about surviving apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity.

On today's show, we're talking about the legacy of Michael Jackson.

In the wake of the Leaving Neverland documentary which details the long-running

sexually abusive relationships Michael Jackson had with two

young boys, what are we to do with this man's art?

We recognize that the topic of childhood sexual abuse is a really tough one anyway ever to talk

about and then trying to add on to that this long-standing conversation we've been in

with Michael Jackson while he was alive we were looking at him and

and understanding that there were things that were not right with his behavior and

some people already at that point were like I believe that he's caused this harm and a lot of us were like he's

caused this harm and I'm still going to listen to his music and then having this documentary come

out now at such a crucial moment in our history around these things. This is a

moment of surviving Arkelly and mute Arkelly where Arkelly is finally being

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