Welcome to Mortification of Spin, a casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman, Todd Pruitt, and Amy Bird.

Mortification of Spin is a weekly podcast from the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.

Our favorite Catholic, or former Democratic president, is on the line today, and he's here to tell us to leave religion

at the door? Well, not exactly, but Frank Beckwith does help us discern the Christian's place

at the picket line.

Okay, so I'm super excited to introduce our very special guest today. We have the honor of having with us, William Clinton, the professor of philosophy and church state studies at Baylor University. Mr. Clinton, how are you?

Well, thanks for, thanks for introducing me.

That was a bit of time to you.

You happen to be doing anything after the show?

Perhaps I should reveal your true identity now at this point.

I'm looking for an intern.

We do have with us our favorite Catholic, Francis Beckwith, to talk about his latest book,

Taking Rights Seriously, Law, Politics, and the Reasonableness of Faith. Thanks for being with us, Frank. Great to be here. Thank you. I said

Bill away, by the way. Good, good. That's a good thing. Well, Carl has described, we got to have

lunch with Frank in Atlanta when we were there for ETS,

and Carl described you as sophisticated common sense.

And I just thought that really stuck with me because I thought that is a great way to describe you.

And that's what I really thought about when I was listening to your arguments in this book.

You were giving a talk about it.

And I thought, this is sophisticated common sense.

What reasons do you have behind writing this book?

Well, it's actually many years in the making.

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